Comments on: SYM vs. Lance

By: hardd1

hardd1 — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:19:30 +0000

Hmmm, so SYM accuses Lance of ripping off their original design…….linky

http://thescooterscoop.blogspot.com/2007/05/i-remember-when-r-didnt-mean-rip-off.html

By: scooterstation

scooterstation — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:07:57 +0000

CARTER is absolutely innocent this time. I am not trying to defend CARTER, nor do I know how much of the press releases are accurate.

However, I do know this:

1.) the “Vienna” scooters were ordered for the Mexican market by a third party. They were never intended for the US market.

2.) The shipment was later redirected to the US.

3.) CARTER currently has the exclusive rights for the distribution of SYM product in the USA (and I know, there is a lot of controversy about that), which means that LANCE’s offering of SYM product in the US was a direct violation of CARTER’s exclusivity agreement.

These facts leave two possible conclusions:

a) someone at SYM didn’t pay attention while selling bulk SYM product to a third party

b) The deal was set up to mislead SYM, in which case SYM probably had no chance of knowing what the real intent of the buyer was.

Happy speculating…

By: illnoise

illnoise — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:23:03 +0000

Nah, I sat on it at DealerExpo, remember? it felt fairly accurate to a VBB frame, though higher off the ground. it’s probably bigger, but not as big as a regular P-series. I bet it’s on par with a Rally or Sprint.

By: Brooke

Brooke — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:06:08 +0000

When that sits next to a vbb it’s going to look like that giant P-series at the Piaggio museum. It will be funny.

By: illnoise

illnoise — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:04:16 +0000

Brooke: that’s the aforementioned “Other story.” If you can’t wait:

http://2strokebuzz.com/2009/04/venti-venditio-veritas

and

http://www.scooter-news.com/index.php/en/news/scooter-news/300-introducing-the-la-vita-150

By: Brooke

Brooke — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:37:45 +0000

I think Lance really dropped the ball on trying to be the honorable foe. Declining to insult is really an insult and when it comes after a sentence with an insult it’s even harder to swallow.

How long until someone beats Hammerhead to market on their own Venti design? Or has it come out already?

By: illnoise

illnoise — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:23:12 +0000

OK, a little snark, but equal snark for all:

a) Let’s not forget that SYM’s Fiddle II pretty much started life as a photoshopped photo of a Vespa ET4 in their 2007 DealerExpo brochure.

b) Lance’s commitment to value is evident in their refusal to spend valuable time and money proofreading their press releases.